One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.

They had met, Finrod knew, one morning in wndreth hills of Dorthonion when Andreth was a maiden. I maintain my dating of late FA s or early FA s as I think the story makes more emotional sense if it comes just in the very breath before Sudden Flame.

We’re athrabet longer the only Tolkien-themed subreddit! I suspect that Tolkien himself had no clear answers to the questions he is raising in this debate. In this case, the Tale of Adanel is similar to many other tales of such a kind, not only to the Christian one i. Already it is if inevitably too like a parody of Christianity. EriolApr 23, But would you wish that Elves and Men had never met?

Ruru Ghoshal July 15, at What may be was little comfort for the time they were in. Leave a comment Filed under Uncategorized. This problem is compounded by the fact that the date on the timeline, of FAis also incorrect. Become a Redditor and subscribe to one of thousands of communities.

She inquired if this restlessness was their nature or if it was the Shadow upon their hearts.

This also contains one of the best — albeit almost unknown — love stories that Tolkien wrote, being the only instance where an Elf man Aegnor and a Human woman Andreth fell in love, with poignant circumstances and results. Does no Estel at all abide?

The 2nd and 3rd ages where not originally part of Tolkien’s plan at all, originally his Legenderium simply ended with the defeat of Morgoth. Await us there, my brother — and me. Same goes for photos of your Tolkien books there’s a sub for that and for Tolkien-themed artwork a sub for that too! Finrod asked if she knew any tales at all of a time before they knew death, and she said only that perhaps Adanel would know such a story.


Finrod logically disproved this idea on two points: This introduction helps to settle the story in time and to remind of us what we already know about Finrod and to underline his interest in Men. Comment threads simply bashing the movies will be deleted. He continued that for the Elda much of life dwells in their memory. In Finrod’s argument, it is only fear of death that was the disaster for Men the woundfor death now divided the spirit from the body. As if it is not enough that the conversation has dealt already with the meaning of death, what lies after death, the nature of humanity and the nature of faith in God, the conversation now expands to take in as well the nature and meaning of love and sacrifice.

So, his timeline now, correctly, places this piece at FA In every stroke that he deals he sees the Enemy who long ago did thee this hurt.


Mithrandir-OlorDec 22, He knew the Eldar were also physically lessened by the Marring of Arda, as their spirit would eventually overcome their bodies, but if it was more than that which caused brief lives and death for Men, Melkor’s power had greater reach than he realised. Where are these other things? He would not have thee so shamed. And perhaps Cain’s line had the shortest lifespans in the Pre-Flood world, maybe all the Humans who figured Prominently in the Silmarilion would have been from Cain, both the Edain and the ones following the Enemy.

Next time, the epic battles start and the First Age will have little more of peace and beauty to speak to us. When Men study one thing it is to learn something else, and when they love something, it is because it reminds them of something dearer. This leads to a few problems: At the end, Aegnor was killed during the siege in Dagor Bragollach, and Andreth was a very very old woman by this time.


Nay, death is but the name that we give to something that he has tainted, and it sounds therefore evil; but untainted its name would be good? Mithrandir-OlorJan 2, Aside from that I have a feeling that a few things found in fihrod Genesis are remnants of another – probably polytheistic – religion or mythology, maybe derived from others found in Mesopotamia Andreth admitted that she did not know that.

Are we the Children of the One? Aegnor was bound by his duty to his people and I’m sure the Doom of Mandos played a role, as well and he feared to see Andreth wither and die eventually. With that, I don’t want to affirm that men of old didn’t come under au shadow of Melkor, just that this event didn’t determine any kind of permanent Corruption, because such a thought, it seems to qndreth, was exactly what Melkor hoped for; men thought to be Corrupted and Damned, and so they were either desperately vengeful against Melkor as the Three houses of the Edainor so convinced of their of Hopeless damnation to give in to it completely, as the Easterling.

Is the light andrehh the flame, which otherwise you would never have seen, of no worth even now?

“What did ye do, ye Men, long ago in the dark?” The ATHRABETH FINROD AH ANDRETH | The Thain’s Book

Andreth responded that there was no way to know this for certain within Arda Marred. I have not found anything substantially “new” in the other volumes but have them all, please correct me if I’m wrong! JRRT envisioned this as part of the Silmarillionand Christopher does not explain why it was not included in the published Silmarillion.

Since there where only years form the birth of the Sun to the Defeat of Morgoth, that means it could easily have been hypothetically reconcilable with Early Pre-Flood Biblical history There where years till the Flood. But Men have been diminished and their power is taken away.

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